I wouldn’t test your luck with I are you. Get out while you are ahead.

It’s not a scam, I’ve made over $40K profit since Sept.

Its def not a scam. I’ve profited right at $70,000 after all fees and comissions since june 6th of 2005. 12dp is the strongest and the fastest growing autosurf program on the www and now that I have met Charis Johnson (CEO,Admin), I can promise you they will be around for longer than ever expected.

well ive been looking at 12p for some time. how can they give you a return on your money.is there a max pay out?are ther any other programs lik this out there that pay as much.i want to do this but i want to do it foe a long time

help

if it’s not a scam then how are they paying us so much money, it’s not the advertising, where’s the money coming from, are they investing it or is it a scam and the money is just being circulated between new members and old and the last members to join are going to get the shaft.

It sure smells like a Ponzi scheme. They seem to be having some issues now which will stop people from investings which in turn prevents them from paying out. Ponzi schemes only work of people have confidence in the site. The confidence now is getting shaky.

i agree with you seth, it seems like the end of 12dailypro, even if it is a ponzi scheme those that join early make some good money, there is anew one available, it started jan 1 and if it lasts as long as 12dailypro you could make a lot of money try it out if you want to just only invest what your willing to lose http://www.15aday.com/?ref=1760

i’ve done some more investigation and it is definetly a ponzi scheme as well as the 15aday.com site, stormpay and emo are both investigating it and will probably prove it and all involved will lose their money,
don’t get involved, for one you’ll lose eventually and two it’s illegal

Have you seen that 12dailypro has had their assets frozen. Why do people even get involved in these things. They are obviously a scam

Come on people!!! Do you really think that you can just “invest” money and somebody is going to give you an insane return in such a short time. This is bogus. Even though some people in the beginning get money out of it, where is the money coming from? The advertising obviously wouldn’t do it. The people who join in early and do get payouts are getting them from people who are joining after them. So even if you do “earn” money in the process you are essentially taking somebody else’s money who chose to join the same scam that you did! Do you really want to be involved with ripping other people off like this?

12dailypro is at its end. Stormpay and 12dailypro are exchanging the blame for what is going on; it’s at a “he said, she said” point right now, but 12dailypro is clearly not getting up from this. Stormpay has frozen all accounts like 12dailypro (including 15aday).

Something stinks with stormpay-I am not in 15aday or 12dailypro or any other autosurf deal. However, I do have money at stormpay and I want it now, but guess what their web page is down and I can no longer request my funds. They should be investigated as well. They charge huge fees, have little service, and now they have left with the money. Their fees are so expensive I can not see how any business can deal with them. Maybe these autosurf sites could do these payouts if they were charging the interest stormpay does.(interest by anyother name is still interest)

The money comes from the people. It’s like a bank, see. If everyone at such and such bank went to withdraw it, the bank wouldn’t have it all liquid, because it’s dispersed in loans. The system only works if people continue to pay into it, and everyone can’t withdraw at the same time.
From what I can tell, stormpay is the one who’s at fault. They’ve sent one email to me regarding this debacle, and Charis has sent at least one a day for the past week.
And I don’t buy stormpay’s claim they just realized this buisiness they’ve had dealings with is a ponzi. Doesn’t matter if 12dp is a scam or not, it just looks bad to have such a realization so late and decide to close down your site.
at least i only lost 30 bucks…

12dp is not a scam, and is not a ponzi. If it was either of these it would have collapsed long ago. In fact it has paid every one of its 300,000+ members ON TIME, EVERY TIME since April 2005. I personally profitted from 12dp to the tune of several thousand $$$, and was quite happy to continue doing so until Stormpay ran into problems because 12dp decided to withdraw the cash it had on deposit at Stormpay. Stormpay didnt have enough cash in its reserves to cover 12dp’s withdrawal and so cooked up a smoke screen about launching investigations/freezing 12dp’s account/etc to hide the fact that it had misappropriated 12dp’s cash, and probably a lot of other folks. Stormpay is the crook here, NOT 12dp.

I agree that Stormpay owns the liability here. They’ve obviously acted as a lender, when it clearly isn’t in their user agreement. This drew them short on funds when 12daily decided to withdraw and switch to EMO as their processor.

I don’t know about all this, and I hope I am wrong, but my gut feeling is that both Stormpay and 12Dailypro are somehow mixed up in this together, and it will indeed be interesting to see how it out comes out in the wash. Unfortunately, the sad part is that people will lose money…. me included. I think there is some very elaborate scheme concocted between them, but we just don’t know all the details yet. They appear to be fighting between themselves over it, but I think this is all part of the act to keep our focus off them getting away with our $$.

Can we find evidence about any of this and what it means, or even if true:
1. Is Charis suddenly moving from her home as I have read, and without telling us?
2. Is her father really as sick as she indicated, and thus her excuse not to be around for awhile?
3. Are the stormpay buildings gone empty?
4. Has Stormpay invested huge amounts into the Clarkesville Speedway racetrack… possibly with our money?

I think we all need to keep our eyes and ears open, and try to look at evidence objectively even though that is sometimes difficult not to jump to conclusions. Soon enough, we’ll be able to put it all together. In the end, I hope we all learn valuable lessons that will teach us how to better move this industry forward and not be so vulnerable to scammers.

I think we’re screwed! ….. How would we even start to file a claim and where would we even begin to start? They know how difficult it would be for us to pull together a class action suit and the only people to get any money out of a suit would be the attorneys. I hope someone pays Stormpay aka Net IBA a visit to their address at 1690 Golf Club Lane in Clarksville, Tennessee and asks for their money back in person. But they’ve probably already high-tailed it from there in their armoured car.

Well this has been interesting reading by a newbit to both 12dp and Stormpay.com.

I was disappointed when I was unable to transfer funds from Stormpay to upgrade 12dp because of the freezing of the 12dp account. After reading Charis postings, I’m glad it didn’t work. Stormpay voided my transfers back to my credit card, so I think I’m getting my money back, whew:)

My suspicions lie with 12dp pro. Charis postings stated:

Stormpay has a long history of bad dealings with the Tennessee BBB… If they did, why did 12dp pro sign contracts with them? Duh, this would be the first thing that a prudent business person would do,

Asking for donations for legal expenses seems very suspisious to me. More likely this will be used for her getaway.

Her father being on his deathbed at such a convenient time. Very suspicious… I suspect that within a day or two we will no longer hear from Charis and know of her wherabouts. It will be interesting to see when her postings will end.

The role that Stormpay plays in the 12dp business model is fuzzy. Why would stormpay have 90% of 12dp cash if it was supposed to be invested during the 12 day period in some high yielding advertising, investments, etc. Stormpay is adverstised as simply a holding / transfer company, not an investing firm. They just hold and transfer funds. 12dp pro should immediately withdraw from Stormpay and invest. That being the case, why would they have 90% of 12 dp pros money?

And finally as many of you have expressed. What investments on Earth that you know of can pay out 12% daily?

I’m disappointed this has turned out the way it has. Everything on the surface seemed legit; but I always had the question about the high return.

I figured they must earn enough on the investments to cover the payouts plus some for their profit and then just return the membership fee of each member.

It looks now to be a scam, however.:(

I’m sure Stormpay will benefit from this as well…

hi all, any can answer me?
what happened to all auto surf pro suddenly???
is they going to be a scam?
I hope we all get our moeny back soon.
bcause iinvested more….
can i get my money back thro netiba?

gksh, I don’t think that NetIBA will help you retrieve your money. Not quite sure what to suggest at this moment. Maybe call your CC company? Anyone else have any suggestions?

dear admin,
thanks for responding,

where is fault actually?
were both of 12dp&sp mingled to submerge all 12dp members in autosurf ship???

It seems that sp tells cock’n'bull stories…isn’t it?
what we all 300kpeople to take a best step?

I invested a month ago just to gamble a little and luckily got paid… I smelt 12dp and stormpays sh*t from a mile away so I stopped! The people who run companies like this should be in jail. Everbody should contact their local better business bureaus and see if their is a proper course of action to take down these thieves! I feel dirty even being putting money in that crap. Charis… if thats her real name is probably on her way to Mexico laughing about this whole thing. I can’t believe she would lie about her father being very ill during all this… how conveniant!

your right rage,
i feel like crap for supporting these thieves, at first i was just gonna make a few bucks but now that i think about it it’s the same as buying something that i know is stolen (just supporting the worlds crooks, and so they keep stealing) if no-one ever supporting criminals their would be a lot less of them

I have over 700 in 12daily. Does any one have the address or phone number of the people in charge. I have my own collections agency, its called me, my friends, and a grayhound to where they live. My money is somewhere and i plan on getting it, one way or another.

Hello all… EVERYBODY CHECK THIS LINK OUT! Pass it along…

http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/defa…?videoId=36152

Is there a way to get money back through a bank account?

rage, could you please post that link again? It doesn’t seem to be working for me…

My ticket to Stormpay today:

Money Stolen from Stormpay Account!
Thieves! You’ve even stolen the small amount, i.e. $5.15 that was sitting in my acount and and earned from stormclix. This should not be a chargeback to 12Dailypro as you show. I hope that enough people report you to the BBB, on top of the numerous complaints you already have against you, so that the FBI will really pay attention to what is going on and make the appropriate arrests. Sitting behind bars for the next 99 years is where you deserve to be!

I encourage anyone who has been ripped off by Stormpay to file a complaint with the Middle Tennessee Better Business Bureau as I have done below.

Thank you for using the Better Business Bureau’s Online Complaint System.
Your complaint has been assigned case #
A confirmation will be emailed to : cindy.sollows@
Please print a copy of this for your records.

Filed on : February 9 2006

Filed by :
Cindy Sollows

Filed against :
StormPay, Inc
1690 Golf Club Lane
Clarksville TN 37043

Complaint Description:
It appears they have stolen the small cash balance in my Stormpay account. They show it as a chargeback to 12Dailypro (autosurf site), but this money was actually earned via the Stormpay “stormclix” (paid to click offered by Stormpay). The amount is $5.15 and has nothing to do with 12dailypro. My account balance has been changed to zero by stormpay. It’s a small amount of $$, but I consider this a serious problem which diminishes the integrity of Stormpay.

Your Desired Resolution:
Put my money back into my account.

This case will be reviewed by a complaint specialist at the Better Business Bureau, and then forwarded to the business for their response. It can take up to 30 days for the Bureau to receive a response/resolution to your complaint. You will be notified when the business has responded.

What would you like to do next?
View the status of your complaint
Return to the BBB Homepage BBB Privacy Policy

Here is an updated link. Watch this news broadcast from abc4 in Utah!

http://www.abc4.com/local_news/local_headlines/story.aspx?content_id=FAFC4B6E-CD07-47AB-80CC-27BDC4253EF0

Remember… its both 12dp and Stormpay trying to rip you off here! Don’t just focus on stormpay. Both need to be held responsible. It is clear that 12dp has gained a lot of trust from its members (mostly because they have been paying out), but don’t be fooled! Also, stormpays C.E.O. use to run his own little ponzi scam.. so its not like he just found out about these schemes and decided to protect consumers against “companies” like 12dp. Who else thought that Charis was the white woman on the 12dp website? I was suprised to find out that she is black. I’m not racist or anything… just a little suprised… thats all.

The Better Business Bureau of Middle Tennessee
=============================================

Media Release
Date: February 7, 2006
To: BBB Members & Media

From: Kathleen Calligan, President & CEO
Telephone (615) 250-4242

StormPay.com Freezes Accounts

The Better Business Bureau of Middle Tennessee alerts the public to the business practices of StormPay.com of Clarksville, Tennessee. During the first six weeks of 2006, StormPay.com has generated more complaints to BBB than any other Middle Tennessee or Southern Kentucky business.

In the past seven days, BBB has received 18,926 inquiries from consumers around the world checking on the reliability of StormPay.com.

Complaints filed by consumers from around the world state that StormPay.com has frozen their online accounts and will not release funds due. StormPay.com is an online payment processor which acts as an intermediary in the processing of funds between a web site and a customer. “Since the end of January, BBB has received over 180 complaints from users of StormPay.com” says BBB President/CEO, Kathleen Calligan. “A review of complaints filed by users indicate that the company is holding in excess of $460,000” explains Calligan.

An email sent to at least one complaintant by StormPay, states in part “…should you choose to attempt to recover your funds through other means, that conduct will result in the forfeiture of any refund…”

The majority of complaints filed with BBB, concern StormPay’s freezing of accounts from users who participate in “auto-surfing” programs. An “auto-surfing” program reportedly generates money to the user every time a user visits a participating web site.

Due to the complaint volume, international scope of participants and amount of money involved, BBB is requesting the assistance of federal authorities for further investigation.

I think Stormpay and 12daily are both crooks. They both claim their innocence, but how com Stormpay took money out of my banking account on 2-6-06, which is after they froze the account? Meaning, 12daily doesn’t have my money, but Stormpay does. If they were so legit, then why wouldn’t they have not taken that money and then left it in Stormpay?

I personally think they might have had this whole scam from the get-go. Personally, I would have rather just see 12daily go as I thought would have been the case, but this BS story is a bunch of crap to cover up an already shady business. Charis and Stormpay CEO, I hope that you don’t believe in a God, as if you do, your conscious has got to get to you knowing that you will have to answer for your actions some day. My advice would be to eat a lot of ice cream as where you are heading, you can only have run down melted shakes!

Hi All,
shell we get our money back from 12dp?
i invested more in it.
that stupid stormpay playing games with auto surfers.
it is really hurted so many people.
anybody can give ur openion!
OR
HOW TO CATCH THAT BLUDY……SP?

Dear Charis,
Iam from the INDIA…
do not loose ur confidence in getting ur(our) money back from that stupid scampay…
YES…….it is scampay.(NO DOUBT IN IT)
And also keep in mind that 300k 12dp members are behind you in supporting.
WISH U ALL THE BEST.

Hi Guys,
again me…
just i opened my past received mails,
e-gold was really giving good service,Charis u again think of it..
but but this bludy cheater,fruad,stupid,rascel,idiot blockmailed us and forced to join in NETIBA(????)for even $19.55 what a shame???(19.55×300000=???)
So it is the correct time to support CHARIS for getting our $$$ back.

would it be like calling the kettle black if another company aided and abedded them …I mean if you knew for years that ponzis and pyramids were on your site and you collected 2.9% off their revenue shouldnt you also be in trouble for letting it go on this long? Just a thought from someone who wants his money back!!! If the crime fits then someone better be taking the blame for so many peoples money gone!!! Bad promo and bad business makes people scared to do business with you now since your not willing to admit your part in this..but time will tell when the dust is gone who the real criminals our! Yes you could ban me but I got a voice and I want my money and I want to see this go to court so a verdict is made..I beleive in justice and that their must be two sides to a story, not just one, so this is not over till a judge hears this case!
I wrote this ticket to stormscam in hopes that the two idiots Steve Girskey and the other butt buddy MCconelly will add some perspective to the light of being part of this cover up! Seems to me white collar criminals flourish knowing they wont do hard time but in a country club at the Hilton. So im out of money and still wondering when this one sided story will go before a circuit judge so he can make the final ruling!

Omega Ryder

I was itching to get into DailyPro and am anxious to see how all of this plays out

As soon as I heard that 12DP was changing pay processors, I figured that SP would not like it and like all banks, they probably put the $$ in their own interests and won’t have the $$ until after a certain period of time.Why don’t they just explain that.

I just confirmed with my CC and they received the voided funds. Looks like StormPay did a good thing here. I don’t know whether they knew I was affiliated with 12dp or not.

I agree with the opinions that both 12dp and StormPay are bad. I would imagine that the large withdrawl to cover the migration to EMO is what triggered the action by Stormpay because they couldn’t cover the withdrawl. Then things snoballed from there.

I noticed that Charis is still updating the web site. I wonder what country she is doing it from?

Reply I received from BBB:

Thank you for contacting the Better Business Bureau concerning your complaint.

In the past 36 months, the company you have filed your complaint against has been the subject of numerous complaints that the company has ignored. Please refer to our reliability report at www.gobbb.org for its history.

BBB has forwared a copy of your complaint to the company - but we do not expect to hear from the company based on its past history of failing to respond.

If you have any questions, please contact me.

Sincerely,

Christina Backus
Service Representative
BBB Community Mediation Center

Forgot to say above that the BBB complaint is against Stormpay

Hi Guys,
what to with bludy scampay???
can i get my money back?
i put more $$$ in 12dp?
Any suggestion ???

For those of you hoping to get your money back… There is a chance that may happen. Charis seems to be hanging in there and fighting, based on the postings on the 12dp site.

Be that as it may, I think anyone that chooses to participate in a program that offers such high returns should also realize that the risks are high. This is investment 101. High return equals high risk. Hopefully none of you risked more than you could afford to loose.

I have a couple personsal legal issues that are being fought on a much smaller scale and one case has gone on for 4 years and the other 2 years. Don’t expect any resolution any time soon. I wished I could be more optimistic.

I think your only chance is if Charis hangs in there and pulls off the legal action; but this more than likely will take a considerable amount of time.

I’m hoping this all gets worked out soon, because I want to participate. If 12dp does survive, then that would be a very good indicator that it is a legit business.

I think one needs to look at this program and others similar in nature as a bit of a gamble. How long before the well runs dry? Unfortunately, with gambling there are winners and there are loosers.

I’m hoping this all will work out and soon…

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